Tangent: New Glasgow design team

wald · Post by **wald** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:27 pm

Been reading a lot recently about this new team of Designers from Glasgow, Scotland. They've been winning some good contracts and producing a lot of good commercial as well as off the wall creative pieces. They seem to have a good refreshing feel about them and seem to be shining out in such a dull part (weather wise) of the country.
Anyone heard much about them.

They also have a really slick site showcasing their work...
www.tangentgraphic.co.uk

Ek Kanya · Post by **Ek Kanya** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:02 pm

Seems like you are one of the collective. Can you post some of their work here so we can see it here itself?

wald · Post by **wald** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:25 pm

I wish I was part of the collective!
I can't seem to grab any of their stuff on line as the site is all Flash. I'm pretty sure all their stuff is on the site though.

Wald

vikram sharma · Post by **vikram sharma** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:04 pm

hate flash sites. taking too long to open so i abandoned....

wald · Post by **wald** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:40 pm

Why do you hate flash sites? This makes me laugh when people say this, as Flash is just another medium. It has more capabilities and is more versatile than html etc.
If used correctly Flash is a great tool.

Cheers

Priyanka · Post by **Priyanka** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:40 pm

but i always go for non flash when i have to choose between hmtl and flash.

wald · Post by **wald** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:31 pm

But why?

vikram sharma · Post by **vikram sharma** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:11 pm

-flash cant be indexed by search engines.
-'its not web 2.0
-takes time over low bandwidth
-does not support mobile devices
-is not natively supported by browsers. you need to install Flash plugin in the browser. so if flash plug-in is not available, your website is not accessible.
-you cant download/save flash movies/images like y ou can jpegs etc.
its more complex in the backend and changing something simple, like images etc on the flash timeline, is tedious and complex.

however, if i have to say anything in FAVOUR of flash, it MAY look good. thats about it.

wald · Post by **wald** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:22 pm

If you had a good understanding of Flash, you would know that these points are not true.

Anyway, I appreciate what you are saying and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It just really makes me laugh when people instantly say they HATE Flash sites.

"The easiest thing in the world is to criticise"

Cheers

vikram sharma · Post by **vikram sharma** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:30 am

-flash cant be indexed by search engines.

If you had a good understanding of Flash, you would know that these points are not true.

show how...

-is not natively supported by browsers. you need to install Flash plugin in the browser. so if flash plug-in is not available, your website is not accessible.

If you had a good understanding of Flash, you would know that these points are not true.

show how

wald · Post by **wald** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:18 pm

Point1:
Create index html page then following page with embedded flash movie.

Point2:
98.3% of internet users have Flash Player Plugin.

Cheers

Europa · Post by **Europa** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:00 pm

Point2:
98.3% of internet users have Flash Player Plugin.

What about 10 million Opera Mini users

and is Flash W3C and Search Engine Compliant?

wald · Post by **wald** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:16 pm

Who cares.

Creativity outweighs boring, mundane conformity.

Cheers

vikram sharma · Post by **vikram sharma** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:52 pm

nice work though

Post by **Paramvir** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:55 am

For all those with major myths about FLASH, here are some mythbusters:

from warpsire

7 Flash Myths
Flash can’t be indexed by Google! You’ll lose 95% of your traffic!

Actually, Google has been able to index flash documents for a long time (as in, reading text from an SWF). Here’s a nice article on the subject (from 2004). Macromedia made a nice SDK for searching flash files. It extracts text and links from SWFs and allows you to analyze the raw data.

OMFG I don’t have Flash installed, so no one else does

Contrary to popular belief, Flash is quite popular. Extremely popular. Immensely popular. Just because you can list off 50 sub-groups who don’t have flash (’corporate’ users, open-source-freaks, 6 year olds in Nicaragua, etc) doesn’t mean that those 50 sub-groups even make up a percent of Internet users (or better yet your target audience). The current number is around 98%. Remember that number, 98%. Also remember that that 2% is likely to be the same people who have Javascript turned off, or browse with Lynx because it’s more convenient.

Flash can’t even support permalinks or the back button

Really? Are you sure? Seems like Robert Penner solved that problem back in 2001. And MTV seems to disagree about that whole permalink issue. I mean, it’s not like I can deep link to news articles or anything.

There’s no separation of content from presentation in Flash

Modern Flash development relies on using XML for content (hey, isn’t XHTML XML?), Flash movie clips for presentation, and external ActionScript files for behavior. You can write nasty Flash all gooped up into one mash of source, but then again, you can do the same with HTML.

Flash is completely inaccessible

Actually, Flash is a whole lot better at this whole accessibility thing. Remember, whether you’re doing Flash or HTML, you ain’t gonna translate a visual effect to a blind person. It’s just not going to work.

Flash can’t run on mobile devices

I honestly don’t know where this lie started. Flash is supported in more than 200 million mobile devices. That’s 2/3 the population of the United States. In most cases, flash is better supported than HTML, CSS and Javascript.

If I want a non-flash site, I have to maintain two separate sites

Not true. It’s very possible to feed Flash HTML. Meaning one HTML file, and if the users have flash, Flash uses the HTML content. One version. Graceful degradation.